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hey guys how's it going good to see

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everybody i'm just looking in the chat

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here thank you so much for being here

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guys i really do appreciate it i've been

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having a few technical issues so i hope

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that you guys can hear me and see me

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okay

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um it's just i don't know what's going

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on at the moment but we'll battle

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through it um so you just saw the

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trailer for the upcoming phenomenology

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series that drops may the first you can

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go and subscribe to the youtube channel

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now in advance

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so uh yeah really looking forward to to

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releasing that and being able to talk

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about it

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because we can't really at the moment um

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but anyway let's get on with uh why

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we're here tonight um please let me

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welcome our guest

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mr christopher sharp

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chris how's it going

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yeah not too bad thanks not too bad i've

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got a uh nice beer here it's from the

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philippines you can only buy

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specialist

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asian stores in london so it's quite a

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rarity to actually have this in my hands

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very nice man i'd cheers you with a wine

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but i'm just on the water tonight

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um so yeah thank you for doing this man

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i thought we'd just start off if you

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could just give us a bit of background

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on yourself anything you want to go into

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how you got into ufos that kind of thing

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that would be great

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yeah sure um well i would say growing up

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i was a little bit of a daydreamer let's

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say um someone who frequently spoke

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school and

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watched the discovery channel or history

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channel and watch all the ufo

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documentaries

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uh

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so that's how i started off i mean even

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when i was younger i suppose

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when i was four no i must be six years

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he had to write a story for school and

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my story was about a ufo or an alien

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spacecraft that

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landed in the local woods

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and that my friends and i

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and a dog discovered it and we went on

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an adventure in the alien spaceship so

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that's cool that came from but um the

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inspiration was there for a

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young age um but yeah i mean i guess

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when i was older i kind of

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fell out of love with it

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as i started being pragmatic and

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what we know i guess is the real world

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health struggles through a really rare

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which is um it's a very very

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so when you go to a big

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age or communications let's say um

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agency in london it's just stacked full

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i i guess when you're working in that

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conspiracies

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they're very much kind of um

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talking about you know westminster

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gossip and stuff like that so

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i was very very well versed in that

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world um

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on joe rogan and when

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bob lazar re-emerged

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that he said came true

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um so i no longer scoff

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at tom delange and i take everything he

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takes one position or another position

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for reference and then if something this

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stories as well and if something emerges

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clovid hit everyone just

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started reevaluating everything in their

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and for me i just thought screw this

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i can see louis zondo

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and you know sean cahill and people like

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that chris bell and mean business

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i want to help them as much as possible

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um so obviously we did uap media uk um

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i did liberation times and you know

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you know we've made some really good

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um especially in our work

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in terms of engaging sentences and u.s

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politicians congressmen um so yeah i

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mean that's a long unwinding kind of

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where i got to where i am and liberation

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times it's just started as some things

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just kind of like you know i quit my job

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in the summer and i thought okay let's

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just do a little blog

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do a few articles and stuff no pressure

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just kind of in my free time and then it

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just transformed into something

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uh to where i'm averaging like 60 000

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didn't know where yeah so and then you

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know it kind of kind of turns into

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you know first you're writing an article

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it's just fun

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let's see how it does the next day

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hopefully i don't get too much flak on

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um to something like every article you

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know is important

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and there's a pressure on that and his

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expectations

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no it's great and the thing is is

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your articles have been retweeted by

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some of the most prominent figures in

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the community i mean that must show that

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you're obviously on the right track or

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you're doing something right i mean how

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did that feel when you started seeing

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that louis zondo leslie kane i mean

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most of them to be fair ross coulthard

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how does that feel does it just validate

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what you're doing

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it just gives me a lot of confidence

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okay some someone i mean i don't have a

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natural sense of confidence i'm always

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questioning myself and i guess that's

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what kind of makes my articles what they

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are as well um but it just feels

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absolutely brilliant you know george

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knapp as well as retweeted you know him

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in addition to um

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to ross coulthard just kind of like

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heroes in terms of journalism so

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the you know leslie keane as well

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obviously you know just the fact that

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they're reading my articles and they see

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some positives in what i'm doing is just

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really really helped me a lot um so yeah

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it just felt great and um a lot of the

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time you know it would be i think paul

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reddington or or um

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message or something saying look you

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look you kind of like mentioned your

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article and each time i'm just being

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it's yeah it just feels brilliant yeah

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it feels really good

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no it's good i think it just it does it

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shows that you're you're doing the right

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thing you're covering the right aspects

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it back to sort of last summer with the

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uh the preliminary assessment that came

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a buzz all around the world in fact when

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it when it came to the subject did you

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feel that buzz did you

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heighten your expectations or keep them

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yeah i thought the media and um others

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you should know better were just getting

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that they use that they knew what to

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expect but a lot of the other media

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this kind of sense of

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it not living up to what they thought it

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but in actual fact when you do look at

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that that report that primary assessment

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i mean yes they're using bureaucratic

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it's also astonishing they're basically

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saying in some instances there are these

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what we what we know of in terms of

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physics and technology and i think it's

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safe to say now seeing what's happening

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with um

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with russia and ukraine which is

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obviously everyone's mind at the moment

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that russia doesn't have that technology

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it doesn't i mean the russian economies

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in the state as well if it had that kind

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of technology physics don't you think

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they would use it for their eco you know

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to boost their economy or something of

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course they would and in china in term

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um russian technology in terms

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especially in terms of the fighter jet

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they've actually really struggled with

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their jet engines and stuff the next

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generation of fighters so

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i mean it just seems very very unlikely

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that they're

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gonna have that type of technology to me

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um

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but yeah i mean i i wasn't i wasn't

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really

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i i

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i was i didn't really feel let down i

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just felt that it had a sense of

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momentum to it because there were next

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steps that were going to be taken so the

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hicks

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memorandum that was released basically

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said that there would be follow-on

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action yeah um

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obviously we know now that that

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follow-on action and i think bro melon

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and people like that knew at the time it

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wasn't going to go far enough because it

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was just going to be restricted to us

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defense ranges

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for instance um

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and also it didn't really seem to cover

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the trans medium aspect of the

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phenomenon either

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so it seemed very very restrictive so

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i mean looking back it seemed inevitable

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that there would be pushback saying that

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memorandum

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on the forum activity which led to

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aoi msg

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wasn't going to be enough so

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um

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yeah i think that was quite interesting

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looking back at it and obviously

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you know i think it was in september

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that we first heard

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rumbles from from congress and gallagher

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that

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there was neat there needed to be new

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legislation

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with a push from congress to actually

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push the ball further

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um

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into field and obviously you know i

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think the big the the big

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kind of comparison that you can draw is

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the fact that there is nothing within

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aomsg

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um when it was formed back in december

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that had an unclassified component to

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releasing a report either

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whereas the new uap office does

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yeah it would have seemed like aoi msg

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would have just kept things in a highly

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classified

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annex or or area but at least the new

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office does seem to

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show that it's trying to do a bit more

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and push for a little bit of

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transparency um but let's go back to

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just after the june 25th assessment and

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and over here in the uk we saw

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the conversation sparked in the house of

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lords

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which i found quite disappointing do you

355
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recall that conversation

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yes yes i do um

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so it was one of the conservative

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lords that actually requested

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the debate

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um

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so i mean what you had she had defense

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minister barnes goldie

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um from the government who was the

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government's representative spokesperson

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in the lords for that and so yeah it was

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lord safarraz who brought up the

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question

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um

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plate response basically from

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the the minister of state

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um

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i mean it's difficult to know what to

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read into that to be fair because

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it just

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i mean she was answering questions about

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the pre-primary

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assessment

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but now there is good reason to know

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you know by the questioning of nick pope

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that

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the ministry of defense hasn't even read

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the

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security

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and it doesn't see

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uap is a threat

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how come they haven't read the

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classified version of the report

388
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how does that true

389
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it doesn't but it was amazing because

390
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today we had that

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answer for that question that was asked

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in parliament as well and we actually

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got a different response for the first

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time in

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you know in a long time because the same

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boilerplate response was used every time

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people were sending letters and things

398
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like that but we actually now got

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the fact that they will not discuss any

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classified information that's been

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shared with

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by allies and i thought

403
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it's not the best statement but it

404
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certainly is nice to see a different

405
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answer to something after just the same

406
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no national security issues before so i

407
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think it's a step in the right direction

408
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even though it's so far from what we

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want

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you know

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yeah

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they they sent me to say i think they

413
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certainly were the same response i mean

414
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i asked about it too

415
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many md space person

416
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got slightly flustered because i kept

417
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from pushing and me and they had to pass

418
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me through to someone from the raf

419
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oh really

420
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they're very good at that they weren't

421
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they're just passing people around until

422
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they actually come up with something

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yeah

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it is frustrating

425
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but then

426
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you know

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black

428
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that's someone else who didn't

429
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participate in the debate in the summer

430
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yeah and lord black i mean there's got

431
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to be people within the house of lords

432
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and parliament as well that are actually

433
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probably do want to see more on this

434
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subject it's again it's probably the

435
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stigma it's still you know rampant over

436
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here in the uk so i bet there's just

437
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that hesitant hesitance

438
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to to bring it up or take a stance on it

439
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but

440
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hopefully that will change

441
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lord black is very very important he's a

442
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senior figure i think he's chair of vice

443
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chair of telegraph group

444
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so he's got some influence in the media

445
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for instance um and also i mean

446
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historically he's been the one

447
00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:12,240
most likely to take interest in this

448
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he's spoken out about it before i think

449
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:15,839
it was i mean you may know this better

450
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,759
than me but the from my understanding

451
00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:19,440
there are a series of incidents in the

452
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1970s is it pembrokeshire or some

453
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:24,000
something like that in wales

454
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that some school kids saw

455
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:28,720
yeah there was the welsh flap i think

456
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was part of the welsh triangle

457
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um

458
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:33,519
and a lot of people i just clarified

459
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:35,279
people hear the welsh triangle it wasn't

460
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:37,600
a triangle object there's actually three

461
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locations that you know map out a

462
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triangle and it was all within that area

463
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:43,440
throughout the 70s that there were just

464
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:46,320
so many waves of ufo sightings so

465
00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:48,160
yeah people always get that like where's

466
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:49,920
this triangle case it's like it's it's

467
00:16:53,269 --> 00:16:51,920
not a black triangle or anything but

468
00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:53,279
yeah

469
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um

470
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:56,480
now moving on i think around that time

471
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as well after the june 25th report we

472
00:17:02,069 --> 00:17:00,800
just saw a massive excuse me a massive

473
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:02,079
slump in

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00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:04,400
nobody was hearing anything people were

475
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:06,000
starting to get a bit frustrated but

476
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:06,959
then

477
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:09,760
we had san marino and project titan and

478
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:11,439
you covered that really well as well so

479
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:13,039
what were your thoughts on on hearing

480
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:14,000
that and

481
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,520
can you tell us a bit about it and where

482
00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:17,679
you think it might be headed

483
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:19,760
yeah no of course i mean i'd firstly say

484
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that people shouldn't get too

485
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:23,120
dejected when there's a lack of press

486
00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:24,640
coverage and whatnot because

487
00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:26,240
conversations are happening behind the

488
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:28,079
scenes all the time and

489
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from what i

490
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let's say being told that all the people

491
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who have seen this from within the dod

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the intelligence communities um and even

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congress or

494
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congressmen

495
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they've been

496
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quite shocked by what they've seen it it

497
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has rattled them so you know despite the

498
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fact that we're not getting a commentary

499
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:49,440
of it it's not

500
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kind of a big media

501
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it's not big in the immediate agenda

502
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there is stuff happening

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um but in regards to san marino yeah

504
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it's what's needed because

505
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this is an international

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debate

507
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we do need to get around the table and

508
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coordinate with

509
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allies and partners and maybe even some

510
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foes

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to actually discuss what is going on

512
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and i feel that there is a very very

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good chance that project titan

514
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is going to be a success eventually

515
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it may take longer than expected with

516
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what's going on in the world at the

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moment and i know the power leg was

518
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quizardi's doing a lot behind the scenes

519
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to keep the momentum going there

520
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when you look at the actual

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fundamentals

522
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of project titan

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it makes sense because it's it's a win

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for san marino

525
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yeah i think they'll get the nudge from

526
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certain people within the u.s

527
00:19:01,190 --> 00:19:00,160
government as well that it's safe to go

528
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ahead

529
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and the us will probably get its allies

530
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:07,039
to tow the line as well eventually um so

531
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i i think i think it's it's gonna be it

532
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may take longer than expected with

533
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what's going on at the moment but i

534
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think eventually

535
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we'll we'll get there and um

536
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:18,880
you know maybe

537
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,480
in a few months time or a year or so

538
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:24,880
certain individuals when the ufo

539
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:27,520
community will be booking flights to new

540
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:28,559
york

541
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to see some of the debates

542
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:33,039
absolutely yeah i mean

543
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:35,200
it's so needed because if it all goes

544
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,720
through and forward through the un and

545
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:38,880
stuff it'll open the conversation up in

546
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europe massively and we'll probably

547
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:43,200
start seeing many countries talking

548
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:44,640
about it and

549
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,200
you know maybe even some

550
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,600
class declassified files coming out of

551
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,039
some of the european countries that

552
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,200
would be fantastic i think they're all

553
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,120
held back by the stigma still over here

554
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:58,000
compared to the us um so yeah fingers

555
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:59,360
crossed i think it's a positive thing

556
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,799
but yeah absolutely right i think

557
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:02,720
there's going to be delays probably due

558
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,720
to what's happening at the moment with

559
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,720
russia and ukraine and i can totally

560
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,400
understand that you know

561
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,880
there are you know there are there's

562
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,400
things have to be done right and the

563
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:14,720
focus has to be 100 so

564
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:17,360
yeah totally understand um

565
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:20,559
let's move on um

566
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,960
i think it was october we saw robert

567
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,720
salas um

568
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,880
raising funds to

569
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:28,640
to to organize this press club event

570
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:32,080
that he did get and he put on um but to

571
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,000
me it felt like it didn't get the

572
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,840
attention that it deserved the media

573
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didn't really pick up on it i think it

574
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:39,039
was quite a small event

575
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,880
um what are your thoughts because i mean

576
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,159
obviously we know that the nuclear

577
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,640
aspect of the subject is is huge

578
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,159
but for some reason that sort of came

579
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,159
and went do you think it was timing or

580
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,360
do you think it was successful

581
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,480
i think it was successful in terms of

582
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,080
the fact that

583
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,159
u.s politicians and their staffers were

584
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,039
paying attention and so in the dod so i

585
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,200
think from that

586
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:04,799
perspective it kind of helped the

587
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:07,919
conversation within a halls of congress

588
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:10,080
from a media perspective it's never

589
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,280
going to be a big

590
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:13,200
story now because it happened so long

591
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:14,159
ago

592
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:15,039
yeah

593
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,400
if it was you know if you've got

594
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:18,400
something new coming forward

595
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,440
saying look you know um two years ago

596
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,600
there was this big event that happened

597
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:25,280
and all the nuclear weapons on the

598
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,720
submarines below the atlantic activated

599
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,880
and i was silenced

600
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,480
that's a very very big story you know

601
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,640
that and that was only two years ago and

602
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,480
you know it

603
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,440
and that's a new story but i think

604
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:42,080
in terms of salas i think it's just a

605
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,679
you know although it's still shocking it

606
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,280
deserves to be a big story in terms of

607
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,159
press values and the way media works

608
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,600
i kind of felt that it was never going

609
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:52,000
to be something that was going to be

610
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,280
a big deal

611
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,200
sadly although it should have been

612
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,120
absolutely and i think even robert salas

613
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,880
himself seemed frustrated in a few of

614
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,720
the interviews that he did around the

615
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,440
time both before and after his event um

616
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,799
you could almost see the frustration

617
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,400
that he was just because he was really

618
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,000
calling for congressional hearings back

619
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,240
in october you know before we'd heard of

620
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,320
aoi msg and it was the early days of the

621
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,320
gillibrand amendment so

622
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,919
yeah i mean what's your thoughts on that

623
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,360
on congressional hearings do you think

624
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,640
that that's something further down the

625
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,159
line that we should seriously consider

626
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,799
or is it is it just wishful thinking

627
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,640
i think it is being considered very very

628
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,880
seriously by

629
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:28,320
certain

630
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,640
um

631
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,720
i think that

632
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,039
is the secret weapon that you have

633
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,080
if there is frustration and obfuscation

634
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:42,960
occurring from the government

635
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,520
then the elected branch of government be

636
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,640
like that

637
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,799
we're getting justice you know i like to

638
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:50,080
feel that

639
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,679
congressman

640
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,440
or politicians to say are getting just

641
00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:55,200
as frustrated as us

642
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,660
um

643
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,240
[Music]

644
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,640
i i i get the feeling they want us to

645
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,240
see some of what they've seen as well

646
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,159
because it helps them

647
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,240
it helps them it vindicates them to

648
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:08,559
actually see some of those classified

649
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,909
the amount of like secrecy surrounding

650
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,480
surrounding it is just excessive

651
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:20,559
and i think that the frustration will

652
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,840
boil over and that this is their trump

653
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,120
card

654
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:26,559
called hearings

655
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,159
um i i would always i i would always

656
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,159
caveat that

657
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,159
if hearings are going to take place

658
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,520
you're not going to hear anything about

659
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,280
it

660
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,400
a lot of due diligence needs to occur

661
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,320
for the hearings to take place there's a

662
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,480
lot of preparation needs to occur

663
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,960
basically every question asked in

664
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,039
hearings

665
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:51,039
the committee needs to know the answers

666
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,640
to these questions before they've even

667
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,200
asked the person yeah from you know the

668
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,559
dod

669
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,880
anything short of that

670
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,360
and it just turns into a circus and it

671
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,600
turns into complete failure so

672
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,880
it's got to be

673
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:06,000
i like to think that we've got one

674
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,520
opportunity

675
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,279
and it's got to be done right

676
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,440
it can't be rushed

677
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,880
they need to take their time in

678
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,720
preparing for public hearings if they

679
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,120
are going ahead and that's what caution

680
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,640
so when people say oh we want public

681
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:20,880
hearings now i want them now

682
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,760
let's give them some time let them think

683
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,520
about the questions let them do their

684
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,360
research

685
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,960
and

686
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:31,200
i think if that occurs

687
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,480
then i think we'll see some real

688
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:35,760
movement um in terms of hearings i think

689
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,400
if they are going to take place

690
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,559
there are two options if there's a lack

691
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:43,279
of progress in terms of the uap office

692
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,240
perhaps we could see them

693
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,720
before october when the unclassified

694
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:49,919
version of

695
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,559
the annualized report is coming out

696
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:55,120
um but otherwise we may see

697
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,159
hearings because i think they're going

698
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,000
to happen regardless

699
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,400
maybe next year perhaps

700
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,080
do you think they might just sort of go

701
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,840
to the the other way and just do closed

702
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,600
hearings

703
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,120
i think there's already been closed

704
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,880
hearings i think um

705
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:10,799
i mean i need to reference that but i

706
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,520
think if you have a senator carson

707
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,440
he said they've already kind of held

708
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,919
close hearings on that um although i

709
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,840
think dean johnson may

710
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:21,840
have to correct me in terms of my

711
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:24,159
terminology there but he he did say that

712
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,600
there have been

713
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,760
close hearings and i think it's very

714
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,679
much in

715
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,760
the politicians interest that these are

716
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:33,039
public hearings

717
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,520
they put their necks on the line now for

718
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,720
an issue which has been widely

719
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:40,559
squandered for such a long time dear

720
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:48,310
i mean he's got a shot now getting into

721
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,240
the senate and tim all the all these you

722
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,320
know courageous politicians spoken up

723
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,480
they want to be vindicated

724
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,480
they want to say that look this is why

725
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,559
i've made such a big deal about this now

726
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,400
you can all see it that's what we want

727
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,480
to so i think it's very much an interest

728
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,080
to have public hearings

729
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,080
yeah i think another important aspect is

730
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,760
for them to subpoena the right people as

731
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,400
well so you know like luella zondo for

732
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,000
example i mean imagine that where he

733
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,600
could just

734
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,520
the nda that he has just completely is

735
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,440
irrelevant and he can just spew it all

736
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,559
out to them i mean that's a dream

737
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,720
oh yeah absolutely i would love that i'd

738
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,559
absolutely love it and yeah you said

739
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,320
subpoena the right people what i would

740
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,080
really like to happen

741
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,039
i i would love the dod no the doe

742
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:35,039
department of energy

743
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,720
to come forward and

744
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,559
tell us what it knows because

745
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:39,840
not a lot of people are speaking about

746
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,559
that but if you remember on the jurgen

747
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,720
experience chris mellon when asked if he

748
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,000
was president where would he go where

749
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,480
did he look and he said yo and don't

750
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,159
forget like that's where patel was based

751
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,799
as well and if you remember um

752
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,279
you know when in the phenomena

753
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,880
jacques vallee said that document

754
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,640
changed my life forever

755
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,720
and that's the document he was referring

756
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,640
to was a document which showed that

757
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:03,760
there was a

758
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,480
at that time as well which was much

759
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,240
better funded that seems to be coming

760
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:12,080
out of patel

761
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,360
so

762
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,120
um i think there's stuff there's

763
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,039
definitely stuff going on with the doe

764
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,720
and i'd love to see some officials from

765
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,360
the d.o.e especially those guys who

766
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,880
can't be in control of protecting

767
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,200
nuclear weapons

768
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,880
guys to come forward

769
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,480
so i always wonder if that's where the

770
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,960
crash retrieval programs are you know

771
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,320
somewhere between

772
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,880
doe in the gray slightly outside of the

773
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:37,679
black just in really hidden annexes

774
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,799
yeah it's fascinating because there's

775
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,640
zero evidence but you have to think if

776
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,320
they are somewhere and they've been

777
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:44,480
hinted at for so long by so many people

778
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,679
that

779
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,520
possibly where could they be and yeah i

780
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,120
just find it so interesting but

781
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:52,000
speculation is a it's a it's a dodgy one

782
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,510
you can connect dots you know you can

783
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:58,799
kind of like let it build up in the

784
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,600
background if something sparks

785
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,600
you know the legitimacy of your

786
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,360
speculation that's something to kind of

787
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,200
look at i think it was bubbles he

788
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,840
claimed that was he working at

789
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,600
los alamos that he was working at when

790
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:14,240
he saw it was it apparently we've been

791
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,950
but yeah i mean it's very very

792
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,880
interesting and obviously jack valet as

793
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,799
well said that um

794
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:26,559
some parts of that

795
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,559
um uap that was shot at over washington

796
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,840
in 1950s the material was taken to patel

797
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,720
right

798
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,559
yeah but i was i'd be very very

799
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,640
interested to see what's going on patel

800
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,720
absolutely um

801
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,399
i think uh something that surprised us

802
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,919
all as well towards the end of last year

803
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,679
was the um

804
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,360
the our future in space event at the

805
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:49,760
national washington national cathedral

806
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,960
with dna avril haynes and avi loeb jeff

807
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,039
bezos and

808
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,799
bill nelson as well

809
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,360
i mean i was

810
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,720
i was so

811
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,240
shocked when i saw that advertised it

812
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,840
was just that mix of people in that

813
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,679
location but obviously the one thing

814
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,279
that really stood out for me and i'll

815
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,960
quote it i've got in front of me is the

816
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,039
quote by avril haynes it's just a little

817
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,720
bit that she said

818
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,120
and i'll quote now of course always

819
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,679
there's always the question of is there

820
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,440
something else that we do not understand

821
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,799
which might come

822
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:23,120
extraterrestrially

823
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,840
i mean that's the first time i've heard

824
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:27,200
extraterrestrially to be honest but i

825
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,480
mean that was quite a big statement what

826
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:30,480
did you think

827
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,679
alicia in a jim radcliffe

828
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,279
predecessor

829
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,679
she's seen stuff obviously i think

830
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,600
i think when you look at avrohan she's a

831
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,159
very very calm collected person very

832
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,559
very restrained i mean for her to kind

833
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,320
of use that language and obviously she's

834
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:48,080
getting a bit stifled and she's saying

835
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,039
as well

836
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,440
i mean i think that speaks volumes

837
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,200
um

838
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,279
yeah i think i think it was just a very

839
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,880
very interesting occasion she didn't

840
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,799
have to turn up the event what i mean

841
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,120
you got avilabe yeah you got jeff bezos

842
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,360
yeah i mean astronomer and a guy he's

843
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:05,039
running a space program and you've got a

844
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:08,480
theologist as well discussing alien life

845
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,440
why

846
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,520
do you need the director of national

847
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,520
intelligence there as well like what

848
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,440
does she have to do obviously she didn't

849
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,039
have to accept

850
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:19,039
um but she did

851
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,480
i think she knows her place in the

852
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,399
history books let's say

853
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,919
yeah absolutely i just want to give a

854
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,600
quick shout out christian thompson thank

855
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,919
you so much and says hi vinnie and chris

856
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,919
keep up the good work thanks christian

857
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:31,279
you too man

858
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:33,039
if anybody doesn't go and check out

859
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,840
christian's website

860
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,120
uapdb.com is the go-to place for

861
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:39,919
everything ufo and uap news articles

862
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,799
podcasts everything you could want so

863
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,159
thank you so much

864
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:46,000
he collects so much good material that

865
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:47,039
guy does

866
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,840
i mean

867
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,159
so many good people for you i'd like to

868
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,320
do a shout out as well to edwin trowell

869
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,880
he's really really lovely oh edwin is he

870
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:56,159
is he here i didn't i've not been

871
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:57,519
keeping my eye on the chat but yeah

872
00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:58,480
edwin

873
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,559
good to see you my friend

874
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,279
oh that's so sweet edwin's really cool

875
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,830
one thing i am interested in is your

876
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,200
thoughts on the skin walkers at the

877
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:13,360
pentagon book and how it kind of i was

878
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,559
going to say cleared up some of the

879
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,559
confusion between a tip and awesome but

880
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,880
i don't think it cleared that much up

881
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,240
overall i think there were still some

882
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:22,159
little points in there but what did you

883
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,600
think i mean because that for me came

884
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,840
out of nowhere that book

885
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,600
yeah yeah um

886
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:30,080
soviet sea jim lukowski

887
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,279
he

888
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,919
seems like a very very cautious person

889
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,640
and from my understanding he's

890
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,399
you know received threats and stuff like

891
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,919
that perhaps

892
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:41,039
um

893
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,399
so

894
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:44,320
it's gone under the radar for quite a

895
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,360
long time

896
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,960
in terms of that book and obviously had

897
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,279
some sign-off procedures as well

898
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,840
um in terms of

899
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,360
the

900
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,480
all-sap a-tip stuff i just find that

901
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,679
just

902
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,399
laborious i mean

903
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,039
that's looking at the trees you know

904
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,600
um the trains already left the station

905
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,000
and you're still kind of like

906
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,080
trying to find

907
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,760
i don't know you're still staring at the

908
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,840
ground asking what is this i don't know

909
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,519
i don't know it's just it's just silly

910
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:17,200
it's just silly um

911
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,399
at the end of the day like the people

912
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,159
who are questioning like the difference

913
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,559
between old stuff and native just

914
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,320
i mean

915
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,840
obviously

916
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,279
this is a classified this is a

917
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,720
classified world that we're talking

918
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,200
about we're talking about you know

919
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,919
complex bureaucracy and whatnot and

920
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:36,000
you know we're talking element of

921
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,880
you know

922
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,720
humanity as well people make mistakes

923
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,200
and stuff like leslie kane i mean like

924
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,600
this a-tip slide everyone's going on

925
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,679
that but she's felt it wrong just silly

926
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,679
i mean like why are people focusing on

927
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:49,039
that i mean look at the stuff that's

928
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:50,399
actually being achieved i mean you've

929
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,200
got

930
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,440
you know an ig assessment that's been

931
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,399
launched you've got a new uap office

932
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,799
recently had a member of canada's

933
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,799
parliament who's now speaking out about

934
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,960
it

935
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:04,000
i mean

936
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,360
you've got

937
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,919
big senators speaking out about it and

938
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,159
by the way all the these people in terms

939
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,320
of u.s politicians who are saying look i

940
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,640
don't think it's ours or you know this

941
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:16,240
is crazy what i've seen and what not you

942
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,360
know

943
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,880
they're actually

944
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,559
privy to classified

945
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,039
material unlike

946
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,399
unlike the people who are just kind of

947
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,440
like looking through the haystack um

948
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,360
so i mean it's just it's just really

949
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,840
stupid i just think i think you know why

950
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,799
are you looking at the trees when

951
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,640
there's a whole forest you know

952
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:37,120
and things are moving forward

953
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,159
i don't know it just seems very very

954
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,960
pedantic to me um but yeah i think

955
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,799
you're right yeah it is

956
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,320
if you want to focus on that yeah knock

957
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,600
yourself out you know i'll keep on

958
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,080
covering the news that matters the stuff

959
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,760
that actually shows progress and stuff

960
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,200
because i know that

961
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,279
kirsten gillibrad isn't reading these

962
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:55,760
articles thinking oh my gosh he's got a

963
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,810
point i'll stop an anger

964
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,279
[Music]

965
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:01,039
if you've seen like a

966
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,320
image of a

967
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,240
you know potential alien craft doing

968
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,320
maneuvers that you've never kind of like

969
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,879
seen before um you're not thinking that

970
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,879
stuff you're thinking look this is a

971
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,440
national security risk these things uh

972
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,280
you know as we as on this claim buzzing

973
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,119
our um

974
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,200
aircraft and our navy ships on a regular

975
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,720
basis we need to sort this out you know

976
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,399
they're not thinking about all sap and

977
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,159
asic come on like

978
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,760
i'm sorry but skin walkers are the

979
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,560
pentagon i mean i i spoke to col um

980
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,639
recently really really nice guy i wake i

981
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,560
worked with him in george knapp and

982
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,879
james to tell ski and

983
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:36,639
wrote an article about it i just thought

984
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:39,190
it was really really interesting and um

985
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,240
[Music]

986
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,079
if you look at the apprentices of books

987
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,320
they've kind of laid out structure how

988
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,760
you could kind of

989
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,599
start a uap office

990
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,040
and you can find some similarities

991
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,960
between what was in there models have

992
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,280
been within their um congressional

993
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,560
legislation which i found quite

994
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,879
interesting um and obviously as well i

995
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:58,079
mean the thing that i found most

996
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,440
interesting

997
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,200
is the fact that

998
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,680
i mean what was said to

999
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,839
to me by calm is that you know there are

1000
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,440
people with

1001
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,040
significant

1002
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,520
health impacts in terms of like

1003
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,880
psychological

1004
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,119
um from the ontological effects and in

1005
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,280
terms of physical health as well

1006
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,760
um even from the nimitz so there are

1007
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,320
people from the nimitz

1008
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,320
from understanding

1009
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,400
who have not come forward yet

1010
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,880
who are suffering or have suffered the

1011
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:31,520
impact in terms of what happened on that

1012
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,480
day

1013
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,160
um which i found really really

1014
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,240
interesting and obviously

1015
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,480
quite terrible as well um

1016
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:40,000
and it just makes you think you know

1017
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,880
like

1018
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,040
how often is this happening to pilots

1019
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:45,440
you know who are getting radiation burns

1020
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,880
or microwave damage from these uap

1021
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:50,000
um

1022
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,440
and that's yeah i just find it really

1023
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,880
really interesting from my understanding

1024
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,200
as well what gary neillin has said that

1025
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,359
intelligence officers are

1026
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,960
kind of getting these impacts as well

1027
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,160
from uab

1028
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,920
and that makes me think because okay it

1029
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,599
makes sense that you know you could be

1030
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,839
like an f-16 pilot or whatever and you

1031
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,079
come into contact with eop and you get

1032
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,599
radiation burn stuff like you're going

1033
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:11,040
to come across at uap eventually i

1034
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,800
suppose if you're

1035
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,280
flying in a hot zone like the east coast

1036
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,720
what about intelligence officers how are

1037
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:18,720
they coming into contact with you apa it

1038
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,990
yes it shows there must be a lot

1039
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,839
an awful lot that's classified and still

1040
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:28,000
happening that we just have no idea

1041
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,119
about and

1042
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,280
yeah that's crazy to think um now you're

1043
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,280
talking about moving forward and stuff i

1044
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,160
did feel personally felt that when aoi

1045
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,880
msg was announced that it was just like

1046
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,480
something that was thrown out there to

1047
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,400
just derail the gillibrand amendment

1048
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,000
what did you think when that suddenly

1049
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,839
came up

1050
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,599
so i mean

1051
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,680
when when you read the hix

1052
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,960
memo from

1053
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,359
after the primary assessment release

1054
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,119
they kind of promised they would have

1055
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:56,880
this follow-on

1056
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,200
activity so

1057
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:03,200
when looking at the hindsight i can see

1058
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,640
where that was coming from and i can see

1059
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,800
why you know lou and melon pushed for

1060
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,320
something much bigger as well because

1061
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,320
they knew what was coming perhaps

1062
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,400
um and obviously we can question the

1063
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:14,160
timing as well just before thanksgiving

1064
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,680
or when it was released

1065
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,200
um

1066
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,119
and it just say it just seemed to me

1067
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,200
that it was ous

1068
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,680
um a usd

1069
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,520
ins

1070
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:28,640
um it was there kind of

1071
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:31,760
swooped to try and claim this yet again

1072
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,560
and

1073
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,720
it just seems to me that

1074
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,160
looking for me on the outside at the

1075
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,800
time looked to me that kathleen hicks

1076
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,599
and

1077
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,880
although i know it's not the case now

1078
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,720
admiral haynes just looking to sidestep

1079
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,079
responsibility

1080
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,400
and just say let's just give it to

1081
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,079
you know the under office of the

1082
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,960
secretary of defense instead um

1083
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,280
and then when you look at the actual uap

1084
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,280
office legislation they're like

1085
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,760
no no no actually it's way too important

1086
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:59,599
for this this has got to be led by the

1087
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,760
secretary of defense which means that

1088
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,520
you know

1089
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,200
kathleen hicks who's the deputy

1090
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:06,560
secretary of defense

1091
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,520
you know

1092
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,680
she's like saying oh this is isn't

1093
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,280
important enough for me and like

1094
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,960
congress is like going no no it's too

1095
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,680
important for you yeah quite funny and

1096
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,599
it's gotta be led by um avril haynes as

1097
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,359
well but i think in terms of our hanes

1098
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:21,119
it should be quite

1099
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:22,240
i don't

1100
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,680
i think from my understanding the dod is

1101
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,599
kind of like if you put this name and

1102
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,920
sounds saying look

1103
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,760
wink we've got this under control leave

1104
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:33,040
this stuff for us we'll eat this we'll

1105
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,079
get everything through we'll do all the

1106
00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:36,079
work and stuff and i think they've kind

1107
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,580
of um

1108
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,480
[Music]

1109
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,720
screwed screwed this up and made april

1110
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,720
hanes look bad in the process

1111
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,200
um and perhaps she's coming for some

1112
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,599
flak from the intelligence committee for

1113
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:49,200
that so i think

1114
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,240
now

1115
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,640
she may be or her office maybe trying to

1116
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,079
actually

1117
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,320
write some of those wrongs but in the

1118
00:39:03,349 --> 00:38:59,119
long term i think although aomsg was

1119
00:39:03,850 --> 00:39:03,359
within um the uh oh usdi

1120
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,860
um

1121
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,280
[Music]

1122
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,280
in terms of legislation it's passed by

1123
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,200
congress there's no way that it can

1124
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,119
actually take on that responsibility

1125
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,200
it's too much it's too much they can't

1126
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,440
do it they don't have the capability

1127
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,520
they're an oversight office

1128
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,839
they're not they they don't like have

1129
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,760
the ability to contract and things like

1130
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,599
that and they don't have the resources

1131
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,119
to kind of like

1132
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,440
commit to that mission so i mean long

1133
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,040
term there's no way that

1134
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:30,800
i mean they say that it's with you a

1135
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,160
usdi and s at the moment but long term i

1136
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,560
can't see that working out and i think

1137
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,640
dean johnson rightly said that you know

1138
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,480
just give it time and

1139
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,480
eventually you might see some change in

1140
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:43,920
terms of

1141
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,560
who the um overseeing

1142
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:48,160
body or agency

1143
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,280
is in terms of the uap office so yeah

1144
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,640
i mean we come in

1145
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,640
yeah no i completely agree with

1146
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,240
everything you said there and and we're

1147
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:58,079
coming now into what it's march and i'm

1148
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,440
sure we'll do some

1149
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:02,000
we're not we let's i'll rephrase that

1150
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,599
the first classified briefing should be

1151
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,359
due at the end of march

1152
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,440
but you know we've not heard anything

1153
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,720
since the

1154
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,480
everything became law towards the end of

1155
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,040
december i mean i even asked lou

1156
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:15,520
um last week i think about who's running

1157
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,640
it right now is it still you a ptf aoi

1158
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:20,240
msg or has the new office been

1159
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,520
implemented but

1160
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,720
he wouldn't answer and that's fair

1161
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,640
enough but um

1162
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,319
you've had you you told me something

1163
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,920
earlier let's

1164
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,520
bring that back up about your

1165
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,440
interactions let's say with the dod

1166
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,960
recently

1167
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,119
yeah so i mean in terms of what's

1168
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:36,640
happening i mean i've been discussing

1169
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,430
she's uh no so basically there is no

1170
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,760
entity officially

1171
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,680
there is no entity called the uap office

1172
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,760
it's

1173
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:52,800
ao

1174
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:56,000
imsg that's what it is says basically

1175
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:57,359
aoms

1176
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:01,520
as they see it ao misg has this

1177
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:02,800
new

1178
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,359
set up by congress

1179
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,839
and it needs to basically

1180
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,240
work to implement

1181
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,240
the and reflect

1182
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,720
the will of congress

1183
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,400
so that's what it's been doing for the

1184
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,480
last few months basically

1185
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,160
looking how it's

1186
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,079
can implement

1187
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,839
the guidance as they put it although

1188
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:27,680
it's not guidance it's legislation it's

1189
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,040
the law i would say um so

1190
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,839
currently the status is officially the

1191
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:35,119
status is

1192
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,920
that

1193
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,480
this is a quote from susan goff

1194
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,319
we are currently coordinating

1195
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,079
implementing guidance across the

1196
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:44,720
department and with interagency partners

1197
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,240
to ensure that the aoi msg meets

1198
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,599
congressional intent um she added we're

1199
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:53,520
transitioning the mission

1200
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,520
of the former uap task force to the aoi

1201
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,800
msg

1202
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,960
while under a continued continuing

1203
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,400
resolution

1204
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,720
the examination and analysis of uap

1205
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:07,280
incursions into special use airspace

1206
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,680
continues at fiscal year 2021 levels so

1207
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,839
i mean sure guys that means that nothing

1208
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,680
has changed

1209
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,839
despite this kind of being signed off by

1210
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,880
biden

1211
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,280
in december and despite the first

1212
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:23,040
classified briefing to committees coming

1213
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:24,400
up this month

1214
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,160
they still at 2021 levels so basically

1215
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,480
they have not implemented

1216
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:31,760
the

1217
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,040
in terms of what congress

1218
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:38,800
has asked for so

1219
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:42,000
i expect in the next classified briefing

1220
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,280
this month that there's going to be a

1221
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,599
lot of politicians who are going to be

1222
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,119
very very annoyed

1223
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,359
um and i feel that might break the

1224
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,440
camel's back let's see well there's also

1225
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,720
we've got the inspector general's

1226
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,640
investigation still going on looking at

1227
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,160
how they were looking into the uap

1228
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,720
subjects back in 2021

1229
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,880
now if they keep doing that then the ig

1230
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,560
is going to be on their back surely

1231
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:04,079
before long you know come on what's

1232
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,440
going on we've got this new law and

1233
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:08,160
you're not even implementing it to as it

1234
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,680
should be i mean that's

1235
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:11,839
mind-boggling yes that's what i wrote

1236
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,800
about the other day about um

1237
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,319
why

1238
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,280
senator gillibrand seemed so perplexed

1239
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:22,079
um in her tone and so annoyed when she

1240
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:23,440
was questioning

1241
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:24,240
the

1242
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:25,520
nominee

1243
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,319
for the new dod ig

1244
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:30,480
um i think that

1245
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:33,680
that was why she wants to put pressure

1246
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:34,800
on

1247
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:37,359
a us usdi

1248
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,319
and s

1249
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,319
she wants to put pressure on her office

1250
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,760
basically to say look get your app

1251
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,720
together

1252
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,240
because

1253
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,079
once this new ig comes into office

1254
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,680
you're gonna have a whole lot of trouble

1255
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:49,280
not only you're gonna struggle actually

1256
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,400
implementing

1257
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:53,119
and meeting the congressional intent

1258
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,640
you're actually going to have these guys

1259
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,560
looking looking at you as well and it's

1260
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,720
going to come from very very top guy so

1261
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,440
i think they're maximizing pressure out

1262
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,599
of annoyance basically

1263
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,280
of what's happening at the moment and

1264
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:08,000
the pace of things if you're having you

1265
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,359
have to imagine you know if you're a

1266
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,760
senator you know you your

1267
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,440
portfolio or your what you're

1268
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,599
scrutinizing is defense and you're

1269
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:17,200
seeing that this stuff is happening on a

1270
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:20,880
regular basis in terms of um

1271
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,319
uap buzzing naples ships and whatnot

1272
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:26,079
this is really serious you know and like

1273
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,359
this is quite urgent to get to the

1274
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,880
bottom of this especially i mean we

1275
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,160
don't know if it's russian let's just

1276
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:31,920
play devil's africa russia has just

1277
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,119
invaded ukraine obviously putin seems

1278
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,520
unhinged let's say some of these are

1279
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,280
russian drones let's say let's play

1280
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,280
devil's advocate then is it even more

1281
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,280
alarming that this stuff is happening

1282
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,520
and despite this there just doesn't seem

1283
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,800
to be any urgency on the part of a usdi

1284
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,400
and s to actually get to the bottom of

1285
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:51,440
it so

1286
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,960
yeah if i'm in if i'm in the shoes of um

1287
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,119
of politicians i'm getting really

1288
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,760
annoyed maybe if i'm them

1289
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,760
yeah that's that's the thing yeah and i

1290
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:03,040
think as well we've just got to play the

1291
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,640
long game haven't we it's like louis

1292
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,400
always said it's a marathon or not a

1293
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,720
sprint and there's always going to be

1294
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,119
you know infighting between congress and

1295
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,640
and the pentagon and stuff so i think

1296
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,240
it's just a case of

1297
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:16,480
we've just got to hope that the people

1298
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,680
are doing the right thing behind the

1299
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,359
scenes i'm confident that they are from

1300
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,880
some people that i've spoken to i just

1301
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:22,000
think it's

1302
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,119
we've just got to have these little

1303
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,880
battles let them play out and then we

1304
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,880
might start seeing some results towards

1305
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,480
maybe october when we get the first

1306
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,839
declassified

1307
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,920
report or unclassified report should i

1308
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,960
say so

1309
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,079
yeah

1310
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:36,079
fingers crossed um now you mentioned it

1311
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:37,359
earlier but the canadian government have

1312
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,480
recently sort of entered the

1313
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,480
conversation let's say last week i think

1314
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,079
was the deputy minister of the

1315
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:44,240
department of natural resources it's

1316
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:45,920
been about getting a report prepared

1317
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,400
based on uap incidents and so that's

1318
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,680
really good and i mean i don't

1319
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,880
necessarily want to touch upon it in

1320
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,520
detail but it makes us think like

1321
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,280
we really need to get our butts into

1322
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,119
gear over here in the uk where do you

1323
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,520
see the conversation going in the uk and

1324
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:01,280
if you don't see it going anywhere what

1325
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,400
can we do

1326
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,400
to kind of help

1327
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,079
i think the conversation is going to go

1328
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:08,319
somewhere sooner or later i mean if you

1329
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,520
look at the

1330
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,839
language of the uap

1331
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,040
office

1332
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,440
um there is language there to actually

1333
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:18,079
coordinate with allies and partners

1334
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,200
um

1335
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:22,079
from other nations so it will happen i

1336
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,839
believe that there's a very i mean this

1337
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,920
is the closest intelligence relationship

1338
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:28,480
there it could possibly be in terms of

1339
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,079
u.s intelligence and uk intelligence um

1340
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,880
and despite the mod saying they've not

1341
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,480
read the classified version before which

1342
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,400
i found very hard to believe i suspect

1343
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:40,400
that many within the uk

1344
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,440
the

1345
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,000
intelligence community have um perhaps

1346
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,240
there's a few people within um defense

1347
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,760
intelligence for example that have

1348
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,839
actually read it so i think that it's

1349
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:52,160
going to go somewhere sooner or later um

1350
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:53,440
and i'll just caveat that by saying

1351
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:56,079
watches space that i think i think

1352
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,359
there's gonna be a big push soon in

1353
00:47:03,670 --> 00:46:59,599
terms of what's happening in the uk

1354
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,680
um as in other countries as well

1355
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:05,040
yeah i agree i mean i've had

1356
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,319
conversations with people in the last

1357
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,680
few months saying that

1358
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,839
they believe that the uf ufo office here

1359
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,640
in the uk didn't end in 2009 that these

1360
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,079
people think that it's still happening

1361
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,520
and they even think they know where it's

1362
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,839
based location-wise and that i mean

1363
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,119
obviously to me that's just pure

1364
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,640
speculation but

1365
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,800
it kind of makes sense that something

1366
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,319
would suddenly you know why would it

1367
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,559
suddenly stop in 09 when they were

1368
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,240
really on top of the subject back then

1369
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,520
you know the amount of documents that

1370
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:32,000
came out up until about 2013 was

1371
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,440
incredible and then

1372
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,839
nothing i i just find that so hard to

1373
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,760
wrap my head around but like i said i

1374
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,680
guess we'll have to wait and see

1375
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,640
um

1376
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:42,559
finally i got to ask what is next for

1377
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,280
you

1378
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,920
and the liberation times

1379
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,480
absolutely no um so

1380
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,240
we're working on some big stories i

1381
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,920
think when we first start out liberation

1382
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,000
times

1383
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:56,000
we put out quite a lot of stories

1384
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,880
um

1385
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,559
stories that needed to be covered to be

1386
00:48:02,309 --> 00:47:59,920
to be honest at the catholic church and

1387
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,319
stuff like that my opinion and covered

1388
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:04,640
opinion pieces

1389
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,480
alongside breaking news and new insights

1390
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,920
uh

1391
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,680
now what we're going for is we're going

1392
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:14,079
for kind of like big the big fish in

1393
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:18,079
terms of big stories um so i mean there

1394
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,599
are free

1395
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,520
free spanners in the works i mean when

1396
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,440
you're working on a story you never know

1397
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,800
which one's going to come to fruition or

1398
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,240
not right

1399
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,839
but i would just say like watch your

1400
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,000
space i mean i think in

1401
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:31,680
coming months and years ahead you're

1402
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:35,040
going to hear a lot more from those

1403
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,079
let's say

1404
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:38,240
um

1405
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,359
veterans

1406
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,599
who have been a victim of

1407
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:43,440
persecution from the department of

1408
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:44,559
defense

1409
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:48,240
in terms of uap i think you can hear

1410
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,520
people come out

1411
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,599
and and they can see openly speak about

1412
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,480
that now um so hopefully that we can be

1413
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,040
on on top of that let's say uh

1414
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,720
i'll give you a little break from there

1415
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,280
um so yeah i think um

1416
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,599
you know and all i'm worried about is

1417
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:05,440
just providing value to the community

1418
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:06,160
just

1419
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um

1420
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:09,680
you know helping people's understanding

1421
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:12,720
how complex issues work and kind of like

1422
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,440
making that into digestible form so

1423
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,359
people can easily understand it

1424
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,680
um so yeah i mean

1425
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,680
yeah what's your space

1426
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,520
as i've said before but i think there's

1427
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,040
gonna be some really really cool things

1428
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:27,040
to come from liberation times and of

1429
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,480
course as well i think the main thing is

1430
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:31,040
i mean liberation times yeah you know

1431
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,640
we're doing really well

1432
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,599
um

1433
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,520
getting more views like 60 000 views per

1434
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,280
month which is great but we're never

1435
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,680
going to be like a big publication so i

1436
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,200
want to ensure that when we're working

1437
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,880
on the big stories that we're doing so

1438
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,400
in tandem with

1439
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,359
kind of like international press as well

1440
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,960
so yeah

1441
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,200
nice i appreciate it now for anybody

1442
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,960
that might be listening to this on audio

1443
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,040
only can because the links are below for

1444
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,200
all of your your social medias and that

1445
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,880
if people aren't on youtube then and

1446
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,559
they are listening where can people find

1447
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:01,920
you

1448
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,920
so um that's pro platform that i use

1449
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:09,119
most often

1450
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:10,880
um so

1451
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:16,480
my handle is at real c sharp so r e a l

1452
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:19,280
c s h a r p

1453
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,160
um

1454
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,160
and then

1455
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:24,720
liberation times as well so liberation

1456
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:31,349
and then the

1457
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:33,200
twitter hand was basically liberation

1458
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,160
times

1459
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:36,400
um so yeah that's how you can find me

1460
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,280
um

1461
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,720
there's lots of stories on there that

1462
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,720
you can read

1463
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,079
i would

1464
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,400
suggest that you read the story about

1465
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,440
what's coming up in 2022

1466
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,599
and then you can hold me to some of my

1467
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:51,760
predictions as well it's called expect

1468
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,319
the unexpected in 2022 as ufos go global

1469
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:58,160
so yeah i might have to retweet that a

1470
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,680
few times this year

1471
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,839
excellent excellent uh well that's great

1472
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,359
listen thank you so much for joining me

1473
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,720
and having this conversation it's always

1474
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,920
good to get your input and your

1475
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,079
viewpoints on the subject and what's

1476
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,079
going on uh keep up the great work with

1477
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,400
lib times we we all love it we really

1478
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,000
appreciate the work that gets put into

1479
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,720
it um and yeah and to everybody uh

1480
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,000
watching and listening i really

1481
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,160
appreciate you guys being here live

1482
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,119
um it always means so much to me so yeah

1483
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,359
we will be back i'm having a week off

1484
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,359
um and i'll be back next tuesday with

1485
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,440
avi loeb so uh

1486
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,800
yeah go and check out all my social

1487
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,480
medias you can leave questions if you

1488
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:34,559
have anything for him but uh for now

1489
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,160
guys i will see you all soon take care